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Tree Climbing caches
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grafinator



Joined: Nov 12, 2006
Posts: 195
Location: Coruscant

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Tree Climbing caches Reply with quote

I wasn't going to make a post about this topic but with more and more people seeming to not understand the concept of a tree climbing cache I feel it is my responsibility to educate you.

1) It is a tree climbing cache for a reason, hence the newer attribute "tree climbing required."

2) In order to log the cache as found you have to CLIMB THE TREE, it's not a tough concept to understand. If someone in your group climbs and signs for you that is fine.

3) It is not acceptable to say I saw the cache but wasn't able to climb the tree and then log a find anyways. If you can't climb the tree then find someone who can or don't do it.

I know some people for some reason think that all caches should be accessible to them but that's just not the way it works or the way I feel it should be. Some people don't hike, some people don't climb trees, some people don't scuba dive, etc. If all caches were accessible to all geocachers it would be a pretty boring game.

I have had numerous people comment that the cache is too high, I couldn't reach it, maybe the CO should lower it. This defeats the purpose of the cache to begin with.

I personally don't expect myself to be climbing trees when I am in my 70's, but I have had people in their 70's climb trees to find the cache, which is awesome!

So please, CLIMB THE TREE, live a little, have some fun, be a kid again. But only do it if you feel you are physically able to. Don't be afraid to ask for help.

I haven't deleted any logs yet but I will from now on, so take heed.

P.S. I love tree climbing caches so please hide more.

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katcogo



Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 541
Location: Burnaby

PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Climbing caches Reply with quote

I am not a tree climber. I am very well aware of my limitations. I have "found" some tree climbing caches when I am out with a group and one of the members is happy to climb the tree and put all names in the log book. I would never log a find where my name did not get into the log book.

This causes me an ethical dilemma when I have not found the cache as intended. I actually found a tree climber cache while the "designated climber" was rooting around up there, I found it lying on the ground YEAH! Of course there was the small problem of putting it back. I usually re-read the cache page for an indication that the cache owner will allow logs of caches found in that manner. You are very generous with your caches allowing this.

As the CO of a number of tree climber caches you should at the very least send a note to the people who log a find WITHOUT signing the log book explaining this simple concept. People see a log like that on the cache page and figure it is OK to do the same.

There are risks with geocaching; people either accept them or not. The terrain rating is there for a reason. Would the same people expect to log a water cache because they saw the lake? Or log a challenge cache without doing the challenge because it is "too hard"?
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marmi_and_tas



Joined: Mar 02, 2007
Posts: 178
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Tree Climbing caches Reply with quote

Grafinator has it totally right about having to actually climb the tree or getting someone else to climb the tree for you before you can log a find. He is also being very generous in allowing a party of cachers to log finds when only 1 of that party has actually done the climbing.
Tree climbing caches are a challenge and they are fun if you can actually get up that tree!
It seems that folks are not really even reading cache pages these days but only looking to add a smiley to their count. Delete 'em Dano. lol

The many trees I have climbed all over the world still stick in my memory. It's an awesome view up there and a totally different perspective on the landscape and the surrounding world.

Thanks for the challenges Grafinator and the reminders that being up a tree is actually a good thing!

marmi
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JabberwockJazzy



Joined: Aug 06, 2011
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Tree Climbing caches Reply with quote

The intent of the tree climbing cache is the challenge of climbing the tree to get to the log which should ALWAYS be signed to claim the cache as found; it is the only thing that shows you actually found the cache. Further, I do not agree it's OK to have someone else sign the log for you because they "found" the cache, not you; you can see many tree climbing caches from the ground but the definition of finding the cache in tree climbing is to get to the cache and sign the log. Claiming a tree climbing cache as found by seeing it from the ground would be akin to driving along route 66 and spotting rock piles along the way and claiming all of those caches found without ever leaving the car. I guess it depends on how you want to play the game; do you want to complete a challenge successfully, or do you just want another number. Personally, I would soon be tired of caching if it was all about the numbers because it would be too easy to get the numbers but you could never get enough because someone else would always have more. There is much more satisfaction in completing a challenge yourself, especially when it means going out of your comfort zone and even being scared. That will be the day I let anyone else climb a tree for me; I'll do my own climbing, thanks!
In fact, I think I'll start looking around for some more big scary trees to hide some caches in ......
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ValHamilton



Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Posts: 4
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Climbing caches Reply with quote

Thanks for the post. I often claim a find when with a group that I'd never get on my own. One person goes up the tree or kayaks to the island and signs for all of us. If my group goes without me, I miss out. I have to be at the bottom of tree or on the beach (ready to call the Coast Guard) to get my name on the log.

We did do Route 66 and the ET Hwy and took turns driving, navigating, retrieving the container & signing the log. I thought the cheaters were those with two cars, each car stopping at half the caches.
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dora_mor



Joined: Jun 26, 2011
Posts: 7

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Tree Climbing caches Reply with quote

I've climbed a couple of trees in the last year, but I know my limits. Apparently not everyone does though... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-...t-22741335
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gearhedd



Joined: Feb 16, 2007
Posts: 124

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Tree Climbing caches Reply with quote

AGREE...I have a few tree climb caches and get the odd log that says I couldn't didn't but saw cache from ground, but have not deleted their log only because it is their numbers. If they state that in their log then their friends can rebuke them.
I just had a guy post a note.. saying " I can't believe that as a CO you would hide in a tree, what would happen if someone falls out and gets hurt." There are caches on narrow steep trails, some you need to rock repel down cliffs, swimming caches all of which you would need the skill to get to. As far as CO being liable I don't know...I should think not. My kids and I climb trees with no caches in them...
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katcogo



Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 541
Location: Burnaby

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Climbing caches Reply with quote

The first line of the geocaching.com disclaimer (that you click from the highlighted area at the top of EVERY cache page):

Cache seekers assume all risks involved in seeking a cache.

It then goes on to say:

Geocaching, hiking, backpacking and other outdoor activities involve risk to both persons and property. There are many variables including, but not limited to, weather, fitness level, terrain features and outdoor experience, that must be considered prior to seeking or placing a Cache.

Very simple, if you don't want to climb trees - don't. But don't seek out caches that require you to do so. That is what that little ignore button is for. If you don't sign the log book, you haven't found the cache.
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Mr. Wilson and a Mt. Goat



Joined: May 01, 2009
Posts: 481
Location: Nanaimo

PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Climbing caches Reply with quote

gearhedd wrote:
AGREE...I have a few tree climb caches and get the odd log that says I couldn't didn't but saw cache from ground, but have not deleted their log only because it is their numbers. If they state that in their log then their friends can rebuke them.
I just had a guy post a note.. saying " I can't believe that as a CO you would hide in a tree, what would happen if someone falls out and gets hurt." There are caches on narrow steep trails, some you need to rock repel down cliffs, swimming caches all of which you would need the skill to get to. As far as CO being liable I don't know...I should think not. My kids and I climb trees with no caches in them...

I have a certain cache of yours on my watchlist and I'm surprised that a couple of people have logged finds for "visual finds". Do you plan on deleting the logs?

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