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savant9



Joined: May 02, 2009
Posts: 198
Location: Langley

PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:15 pm    Post subject: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

I am not trying to single anyone out, but I have noticed recently there seems to be a trend to making caches premium member only (in the Lower mainland anyway). While this doesn't directly affect me, I am just wondering if anyone can shed some insight on the reasoning for this.

Aside from partially restricting the ability to view the cache page from non-premium members, and giving an audit log of the ones who viewed the cache page..... what is the reason?

To protect a unique/valuable cache? - I have seen this placed on some very mundane, average hides.

To hide the cache from non-member, smartphone users? -Isnt the point of placing a cache to be found.

To protect a sensitive area? -Maybe the cache shouldn't be there in the first place.

Once again, I am not saying the CO is wrong to do so, but I am just curious as to their reasoning behind this.

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Cuddlefish



Joined: Oct 20, 2008
Posts: 297

PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

I can tell you my motivation. I initially set up a few of my hides as premium. It is to give the premium members a " head start" or a chance to find the cache while it is all new and shiny. Eventually, I switched them and will do so for my remaining premium hides also. I prefer to find caches when they are still somewhat fresh...
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doingitoldschool



Joined: Jan 07, 2008
Posts: 176

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

As a PMO hider, we really like the stats you get from groundspeak for a PMO. You get to see everyone who has viewed the cache.

Our first one was (And still is) very devious, and we didn't really want to frustrate a newer cacher.

Our second one is a challenge cache, and we wanted to see who was taking a look. It is also a challenge that not too many non-members would ever reach - 100 DNF's.
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katcogo



Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 534
Location: Burnaby

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

The audit logs on PMO caches make me feel a little like I'm being stalked by the CO, but the other side of the coin is I like seeing who is looking at mine! Guess I can't have it both ways.

I only have one PMO which is a challenge cache that would be frustrating for non premium members to get as you need the GSAK search functions to make the challenge (marginally) easier.

I think the reasoning behind PMO caches is that perhaps caches are less likely to be treated poorly if only the "elite" were able to go for them. If only the "elite" knew that they should not treat caches poorly! I think some of the newbies have far greater respect for a cache than some of the seasoned cachers out there.

Side note - since DIOS put out the DNF cache I've been far more diligent at logging mine Smile
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doingitoldschool



Joined: Jan 07, 2008
Posts: 176

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

katcogo wrote:


Side note - since DIOS put out the DNF cache I've been far more diligent at logging mine Smile

And thus our goal is putting it out is being realized Smile
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Cuddlefish



Joined: Oct 20, 2008
Posts: 297

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

Sorry to hijack this thread, but how did you get your DNF challenge cache approved?

I read at the Challenge guidelines: support.groundspeak.co...age&id=206

"A challenge cache based on one or more non-accomplishments, such as DNFs, will likely not be published."

Now I wonder how strict they are?
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savant9



Joined: May 02, 2009
Posts: 198
Location: Langley

PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

katcogo wrote:
The audit logs on PMO caches make me feel a little like I'm being stalked by the CO, but the other side of the coin is I like seeing who is looking at mine!

Ya I kind of feel the same way. If I am just panning around on the map and I select a random cache somewhere and view the page, finding out its a PM cache after viewing it, makes me feel like I was just caught on a hidden camera or something.

Of course having a PM only cache does not even mean that a logger will show up on the audit page. If I view the cache as part of my PQ, mark as found on my gps, upload the field notes, and write my find log from there, I will never show up, nor do I believe a page view is counted from the groundspeak smartphone apps.

Thanks for everyone's input. It was really nice meeting both katcogo and cuddlefish the other day. I like that certitude checker that cuddlefish has on her "A Turbulent love affair" cache. Its nice to have the solvers listed for all to see like that.

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The_Pollywog



Joined: Feb 10, 2008
Posts: 88

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

doingitoldschool wrote:
It is also a challenge that not too many non-members would ever reach - 100 DNF's.

How can you say that 'not too many non-members' would not reach 100 dnf's. If they cache just as long as a paying 'member' they probably will have on average just as many DNF's as any one else.

I never could see the point in member only caches. All they do is exclude some people from doing those caches, and I like to think everyone should have equal opportunity to find any given cache. I try to make my caches ones that anyone can do.
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doingitoldschool



Joined: Jan 07, 2008
Posts: 176

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

Cuddlefish wrote:
Sorry to hijack this thread, but how did you get your DNF challenge cache approved?

I read at the Challenge guidelines: support.groundspeak.co...amp;id=206

"A challenge cache based on one or more non-accomplishments, such as DNFs, will likely not be published."

Now I wonder how strict they are?

Well, "likely" leaves room for the possibility of approval, and we are obviously blessed and highly esteemed in the caching community.
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doingitoldschool



Joined: Jan 07, 2008
Posts: 176

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

Here's what BCGA cachers thought of our PMO challenge cache:

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marmi_and_tas



Joined: Mar 02, 2007
Posts: 178
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

We took a Premium Membership in order to support the cause but have yet to make any one of our caches PMO. Check 'em...not one is PMO. They are all open to any cacher. We do not see why anyone should have to pay extra by taking out a Premium Membership before they can find caches. Maybe a little 'snob factor' has wormed its way into caching?
Plus, the option of 'spying' on cachers who have been looking at your PMO cache does not really appeal to us. That's time better spent caching!
Each to their own.
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Magicman65



Joined: Nov 02, 2009
Posts: 109
Location: Victoria

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

I believe it is up to the individual as to how they play this game. If you want to stop some people from getting your caches...Fine. If you want to let everyone get your cache....Fine. People are different, and they will do different things with what they got.
Some will, some won't, so what!!!

The point is to have fun and enjoy caching, as marmi_and_tas says
marmi_and_tas wrote:
That's time better spent caching!
Each to their own.

PS. My caches are open to anyone!!! Come and get them!!!

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briar99999



Joined: Mar 26, 2010
Posts: 9
Location: Revelstoke

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

I know of a cacher in the Okanagan who was having their caches stolen and sometimes even a mean message left behind. It seemed as though it was just their caches being targeted. As a result they have changed a lot of their caches to PMO caches, in hopes that whomever was doing this was not a member. It seems to have worked.

I understand the reason for them doing this, as I put a lot of time and effort into trying to put out a good quality cache. It was not done to exclude anyone but to protect the caches for others.
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doingitoldschool



Joined: Jan 07, 2008
Posts: 176

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

Since some may never hide a PMO, I thought you might like to see the "Audit log" for a PMO:

Last Visit First Visit User #Times
03/06/2011 20:34 05/16/2010 doingitoldschool 151
03/06/2011 18:30 03/06/2011 dragon flyer 16
03/06/2011 18:17 05/18/2010 Team Pawz 64
03/06/2011 16:30 08/25/2010 Port Eagleeye 9
03/06/2011 10:07 05/18/2010 bcrockcrawler, xstitcher, & BMXer 40
03/06/2011 08:47 03/06/2011 oldgala 2
03/05/2011 23:35 05/18/2010 DrMoose59 7
03/05/2011 15:35 03/05/2011 Risark 3
03/04/2011 23:05 03/04/2011 Lazonians 2
03/04/2011 02:09 03/04/2011 JoPo2010 1
03/01/2011 13:42 03/01/2011 Rockhound73 5
03/01/2011 13:11 03/01/2011 MrGigabyte 1
02/25/2011 11:24 05/23/2010 TheDagenaisFamily 11
02/23/2011 09:05 06/09/2010 boneyK 6
02/22/2011 10:48 05/22/2010 Coombs Wooden Shoe 3
02/18/2011 07:49 02/18/2011 Hobo and Miss 2
02/17/2011 13:54 02/17/2011 bigbluemarble 3
02/15/2011 10:36 02/15/2011 RW/RW 1
02/11/2011 22:21 05/21/2010 team_gee 8
02/11/2011 15:44 02/11/2011 signux 1
02/08/2011 08:22 02/08/2011 Bearcat5 1
02/06/2011 07:29 05/27/2010 Whynot? 8
02/05/2011 09:47 02/05/2011 Mike&Lily 1
01/25/2011 19:13 01/25/2011 PrincessJ 1
01/23/2011 09:05 05/18/2010 Two Grands 25
01/22/2011 15:06 01/22/2011 kristaandgeoff 1
01/16/2011 16:04 01/16/2011 bluenoserstoo 2
01/01/2011 03:54 01/01/2011 spazzm 1
12/28/2010 17:33 12/28/2010 twinmike 1
11/24/2010 20:43 05/23/2010 mulligan1999 4
11/04/2010 09:55 08/30/2010 HB-vanislelady 8
10/28/2010 08:02 10/28/2010 looking4caches 3
10/25/2010 20:37 10/25/2010 DUDI 1 4
10/21/2010 20:28 05/18/2010 dloubert 7
10/21/2010 20:13 05/18/2010 Tugman and Wifey 24
10/10/2010 17:34 10/10/2010 Clan Griffith 1
10/05/2010 17:27 10/05/2010 TheView 1
09/30/2010 22:08 05/24/2010 diraduck 6
09/30/2010 19:29 09/30/2010 MKFmly 1
09/29/2010 01:37 09/29/2010 Da Wards 1
09/27/2010 12:36 09/27/2010 Sand Rock 1
09/23/2010 06:11 05/18/2010 rpmjs 6
09/19/2010 23:49 09/19/2010 msmarple1 1
09/14/2010 19:53 09/14/2010 paracachers 1
09/14/2010 06:24 09/14/2010 Ines1909 1
09/13/2010 20:09 09/13/2010 keesakitty 1
09/07/2010 23:00 09/07/2010 leftcoaster 1
09/02/2010 11:09 06/10/2010 sonso 3
09/01/2010 07:07 05/24/2010 Fordfender 3
08/31/2010 07:26 08/30/2010 chappy14 3
08/25/2010 16:32 06/24/2010 porchlizard 5
08/22/2010 17:27 08/22/2010 treasurehunters911 1
08/16/2010 09:09 06/07/2010 lundloghouse 2
08/14/2010 06:53 05/21/2010 KrysAdlers 8
08/13/2010 15:58 06/04/2010 Banker48 2
08/10/2010 17:32 08/10/2010 moicy 3
07/23/2010 21:53 07/23/2010 Team Rhodes 1
07/22/2010 17:27 07/22/2010 Zoodamar 1
07/20/2010 13:09 06/05/2010 clueless in qualicum 8
07/18/2010 08:20 07/18/2010 Blackfox07 1
07/15/2010 14:40 06/08/2010 Mr. Wilson & a Mt. Goat 5
07/14/2010 06:14 05/18/2010 deltoid 3
07/06/2010 20:28 05/18/2010 vanislehunters 62
07/03/2010 12:29 06/10/2010 scoutcor 2
07/01/2010 12:47 06/08/2010 geocachingirls 3
06/28/2010 00:25 05/23/2010 The_Pollywog 23
06/27/2010 13:02 06/27/2010 alyseluvsmike 1
06/27/2010 07:10 06/27/2010 snofire 1
06/25/2010 09:01 06/25/2010 moorephun 3
06/21/2010 07:39 06/21/2010 familie-abc 2
06/20/2010 05:33 06/20/2010 bearhugger1972 1
06/19/2010 00:00 06/19/2010 kittyclan 1
06/18/2010 12:45 06/07/2010 Sheesh695 5
06/14/2010 23:02 06/14/2010 MUDWICK 2
06/13/2010 17:32 06/13/2010 LisaandDarin 1
06/12/2010 09:49 06/12/2010 hollyburn 1
06/11/2010 06:21 06/11/2010 dirich92 2
06/09/2010 15:41 05/19/2010 Moss Troopers 7
06/09/2010 12:24 06/09/2010 Team Ulogoit 1
06/09/2010 02:48 06/09/2010 Cumbyrocks 1
06/09/2010 02:14 05/29/2010 kjwx 3
06/08/2010 10:46 06/08/2010 Guido71 2
06/08/2010 04:20 06/08/2010 Firefighter Skippy 1
06/06/2010 09:46 05/20/2010 treap777 2
06/04/2010 19:06 05/18/2010 ffjeeper 3
06/04/2010 08:23 05/27/2010 Jarydan 3
06/03/2010 18:08 06/03/2010 addisonbr 2
06/03/2010 14:35 06/03/2010 bedstefader skjule 1
06/01/2010 20:26 06/01/2010 D-Tour 4
06/01/2010 20:03 06/01/2010 kc9gbo 2
06/01/2010 07:52 06/01/2010 pepite 1
06/01/2010 06:20 06/01/2010 The red-haired witch 1
05/31/2010 20:05 05/31/2010 Gamma5 1
05/31/2010 17:27 05/31/2010 Ours_Curieux 1
05/31/2010 17:04 05/25/2010 Landbehrt 3
05/31/2010 13:23 05/31/2010 S&AT 1
05/31/2010 09:12 05/31/2010 desert georangers 1
05/30/2010 21:38 05/30/2010 RapidSupreme 1
05/30/2010 21:22 05/19/2010 shortred 3
05/30/2010 20:28 05/30/2010 NewmsAndWeezie 1
05/30/2010 15:26 05/30/2010 Jozii 1
05/30/2010 08:00 05/30/2010 OptiK69 1
05/28/2010 10:37 05/28/2010 RU GAME 1
05/28/2010 07:05 05/24/2010 Elk Grove Treasure Hunters 3
05/27/2010 13:20 05/27/2010 Herostratos 1
05/27/2010 09:28 05/27/2010 Nezgar & Vana 1
05/27/2010 05:55 05/27/2010 portera 1
05/27/2010 03:16 05/27/2010 flora kookypants 1
05/27/2010 01:26 05/27/2010 Biquidou 1
05/26/2010 22:27 05/26/2010 cdreamn 1
05/26/2010 19:43 05/26/2010 Traa dy Liooar 1
05/26/2010 16:06 05/26/2010 GeoKs 1
05/26/2010 13:12 05/26/2010 rouch 1
05/26/2010 12:00 05/26/2010 mikeri 1
05/26/2010 09:09 05/26/2010 jesperqvist 1
05/26/2010 07:36 05/26/2010 allenite 1
05/25/2010 18:27 05/25/2010 Mr. Incredible! 1
05/25/2010 17:53 05/25/2010 joejackson 1
05/25/2010 17:47 05/25/2010 palmerra 1
05/25/2010 12:02 05/25/2010 Insp-Gadget 1
05/25/2010 10:16 05/24/2010 detourglr 2
05/25/2010 08:31 05/25/2010 Gilligan and MaryJane 1
05/25/2010 07:43 05/25/2010 robert.hill 1
05/25/2010 04:52 05/25/2010 IgottaFind 1
05/24/2010 20:08 05/24/2010 geoconsumer 2
05/24/2010 18:10 05/24/2010 Woodlandnomad 1
05/24/2010 17:27 05/24/2010 Jake - Team A.I. 2
05/24/2010 17:11 05/24/2010 Madav42 1
05/24/2010 16:54 05/24/2010 redlights 1
05/24/2010 16:23 05/24/2010 TurBeau 1
05/24/2010 16:13 05/24/2010 ex135nav 1
05/24/2010 15:54 05/24/2010 Orange&Blue 1
05/24/2010 15:41 05/24/2010 Tealby 1
05/24/2010 15:23 05/24/2010 g-o-cashers 1
05/24/2010 13:52 05/24/2010 joukkusisu 1
05/24/2010 12:48 05/24/2010 LeftCoastFloyds 1
05/24/2010 11:45 05/24/2010 musicgrl8 1
05/24/2010 11:23 05/24/2010 htomc42 1
05/24/2010 10:51 05/24/2010 Team Pfoxe 1
05/24/2010 10:47 05/24/2010 emilierene 1
05/24/2010 10:37 05/24/2010 fanugler 1
05/24/2010 09:52 05/24/2010 Just hike 2
05/24/2010 09:42 05/24/2010 vhasler 2
05/24/2010 09:25 05/24/2010 2cachecowz 1
05/24/2010 08:06 05/24/2010 nenners 1
05/24/2010 07:20 05/24/2010 Wayward Wanderers 1
05/24/2010 06:50 05/24/2010 Larene 1
05/24/2010 05:51 05/24/2010 nekendrick 1
05/24/2010 05:38 05/24/2010 llenseuqm 1
05/24/2010 04:04 05/24/2010 ProfessorZoom 1
05/24/2010 00:49 05/24/2010 ew742 1
05/23/2010 22:11 05/23/2010 ErikaJean 1
05/23/2010 20:22 05/23/2010 Rumo and Rala 1
05/23/2010 14:52 05/23/2010 geotoller 1
05/22/2010 20:34 05/22/2010 Team PodCacher 2
05/22/2010 15:46 05/22/2010 irocku 1
05/21/2010 22:44 05/21/2010 srk 2
05/21/2010 19:37 05/18/2010 Team Jacobbi 4
05/21/2010 12:54 05/21/2010 Budgetguy 1
05/21/2010 10:43 05/21/2010 911turbos 1
05/20/2010 20:01 05/20/2010 Batwinged Hamburger Snatcher 1
05/19/2010 16:56 05/19/2010 katcogo 1
05/19/2010 09:45 05/19/2010 Doonchak 1
05/19/2010 09:33 05/19/2010 BC Geocaching Association 1
05/19/2010 07:52 05/19/2010 MaliBooBoo 1
05/19/2010 06:58 05/19/2010 Pro & Cras Tin8 1
05/19/2010 06:48 05/19/2010 90%Angel 2
05/19/2010 04:51 05/19/2010 Jo & Jake 1
05/18/2010 22:39 05/18/2010 Mudgekin 1
05/18/2010 18:41 05/18/2010 Robert95 1
05/18/2010 17:07 05/18/2010 Backlight 1
05/18/2010 16:05 05/18/2010 ceebeecee 4
05/18/2010 15:49 05/18/2010 vnm747 1
05/18/2010 10:30 05/18/2010 kc12345 2
05/18/2010 09:38 05/18/2010 Team Nimbus 1
05/18/2010 09:07 05/18/2010 Nautilus2 1
05/18/2010 08:44 05/18/2010 marmi&tas 1
05/18/2010 06:34 05/18/2010 DodgeExplorer 1
05/18/2010 05:14 05/18/2010 familynavigation.com 1
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Mr. Wilson and a Mt. Goat



Joined: May 01, 2009
Posts: 481
Location: Nanaimo

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Premium Member Caches. Reply with quote

doingitoldschool wrote:
Since some may never hide a PMO, I thought you might like to see the "Audit log" for a PMO:

Last Visit First Visit User #Times
...
07/15/2010 14:40 06/08/2010 Mr. Wilson & a Mt. Goat 5

I've visited it 5 times! Wow, never knew that...


None of my caches are PMO's, there's no reason for them not being, they just aren't. I've never felt the need to make them PMO caches either.

I respect whatever the owners decision is about whether PMO or not, remember, it's their cache, we're just guests...

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