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couloir



Joined: Jan 19, 2008
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Location: Kamloops

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

This year's BCGA Coin is still in production and details of cost, ordering, and availability have to be worked out. But, as a "teaser" we offer this glimpse:
<img src="http://www.bcgeocaching.com/uploads/pro_news/thumb_1239677353.46.jpg">   full article.
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stormcloud



Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Posts: 50
Location: Prince George

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

Why is it that we allow 2 percent of the population to represent us as a people of BC. I know i am not native and i think if you took a pole of BC cachers you would find that the majority of the cachers are not native. This coin does not represent BC or its cachers. It buys into the polictical correctness or our time and the tourism we promote. With all the wonders of BC and diversity of peoples we sell ourselves short with this coin.
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Doonchak



Joined: Sep 07, 2008
Posts: 81

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

Come to think of it, I am not a Stellar Jay either....nor have I seen one at any BCGA events.
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stormcloud



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Location: Prince George

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

True you are not a stellar jay but it is the Provincial Bird. Though i respect the native culture and its traditions. I am just stating that the native art and culture has been beaten to death. There are many symbols that represent a variety of different cultures within the Province. As a provincial group should you not represent the whole province.

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Doonchak



Joined: Sep 07, 2008
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

While I agree with you that we beat the drum (bad pun...) of our aboriginal history quite often in BC, I don't think there is anything wrong with 1 of the BCGA coins representing some of this history through the art. If every BCGA coin contained aboriginal art and designs, then there might be cause for comments, but I think the coin looks great and the design team clearly worked hard on the coin. Rather then nit-picking over the design we should probably congo-ratz them on a job well done...and then volunteer to help out next year if anyone thinks they have good ideas of their own.
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scruffster



Joined: Sep 29, 2004
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Location: Burnaby

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

I like the design. So far, the BCGA has had the BC flag, the Jay, dogwood and now First Nation's art -- namely the Raven -- on the coin. All the choices past and present are representative of BC. This particular design fits in well with geocaching as the Raven is known as the trickster. The Raven is also associated with many local legends.

I'm very happy with this year's design and will definitely be picking up one or two coins.
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HighMaintenance



Joined: Nov 10, 2008
Posts: 136

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

Just a note from a person that has spent hundreds of hours helping to design this coin. It has been a huge effort and the coin team has looked at hundreds of options and ideas to come up with what we felt was the perfect reflection of a BC theme this year. For those of you who do not like the coin, please feel free not to purchase it.

By the way, I am Metis and proud of it.
Val - Coin team member &
BCGA Vice President
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stormcloud



Joined: Feb 15, 2007
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Location: Prince George

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

No where in my posts did i question the dedication of the people involved or the quality of the design. I know that not all the people involved in the design process agreed with the concept so i am not the only one who questions the appropriatness of the Cultural and spiritual appropriateness of the coin. But vote was taken and the majority rules. And as far as you being proud of your culture that is a good thing. A culture with out its roots and beliefs is lost. This would have made an amazing personal coin for you. Half of my inlaws are native and my Aunt is in charge of the Communitees Native Friendhip Center. And i will be the first to volunteer to be the doorman at a sweat (they get to eat first at the feast after). I am just questioning the fact that the It is not representive most BC cachers. AS a member of the excutive it is your reposnibility to represent all the cachers of BC. Before anyone else takes this as a personal attack lets clear this up. I would be just as vocal if someone was pushing any other spiritual belief at me through this orginizatin. Whether be buddist, Catholic, or Islam. I understand that spiritualizm is wrapped up with the native culture but no more so than a true beliver of any of the above religions. Would we use the Virgin mary or Budda as a BC Geocaching coin. The up roar would be even greater. And before you start spouting if you dont like it dont buy it i would think twice. This is a major fund raiser for the BCGA. There will people who dont like the coin who will buy it to support the organization. I consider buying a couple coins as part of the annual membership to the site and the organization.

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boomerangpapa



Joined: Apr 25, 2006
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

UPDATE:

The coin samples are being held up at the mint due to some difficulties in their production. We hope to have pictures by the end of the week! Pre-sales for the coin will start shortly after receiving the sample pics!

Stay tuned!
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Julebear



Joined: Oct 22, 2007
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

One of the reasons I decided to become a member of the BCGA was in order to be able to purchase the coin. I have seen the designs and am very impressed with the thought and effort which went into designing this year's coin. I feel sure that it will become a highly prized collector's coin in B.C., Canada and throughout the international caching community. For many people in other countries, native art is synonymous with Canada. I would be surprised if it didn't sell out very quickly. One more thing...Stormcloud, if the Raven design is not acceptable, then let's hear your contribution to the design. Perhaps you'd like to be on the design committee next year. It's always good to have new ideas contributed in a positive manner.
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Julebear



Joined: Oct 22, 2007
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

I forgot to add something else...I know the artist personally. He is a wonderful artist and his work is highly praised. He's a young, local man with loads of talent. He is also a positive role model in the youth community in the district where I work, using his time to help kids. I will be proud to have a piece of his artwork to call my own.
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stormcloud



Joined: Feb 15, 2007
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Location: Prince George

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

I did not say i had a problem with the Raven being the symbol of the coin. If you look into other cultures including British Culture you will find the Raven as a symbol. I did not question the quality of the workmanship or the artist. Most successful native artist are a role model for there community. You need to reread my posts. 3 Percent of the Canadian Population is native the rest other nationalities. Native art is synomous with Canada is my issue. Im sure that most of us dont take dog sleds to work everyday and i know most of us dont live in igloos. This coin is well designed. Its just represents 3 present of the population and thier spritual beliefs. As an Association it does not represent the Majority of the cachers of BC. Had it been a realistic representatin of raven like last years coin did with the stellar jay. It could have been a symbol of many cultures without bringing in the spiritualism of just the native people. Again would anybody allow the coin to have the picture of satan on it. He also is a trickster i'm told by many people. Or maybe the catholic have a patron saint that could be pictured as the patron saint of geocaching. I'm sure with our desire to leave no trace when we cache that Budha would be a good symbol. The BCGA represents all cachers of BC just not the Native cachers. I dont begrudge anyone there culture. I belive most people with out there beliefs are lost.

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Doonchak



Joined: Sep 07, 2008
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

So basically Stormcloud, what you are saying is that the BCGA coin can't contain any sort of culture or history at all. Realistic depictions of animals or inanimate objects are ok, but anything else is not representative of everyone, so it's not ok.

Canada, and BC in particular, is a mix of sooo many cultures, beliefs and histories and you would never be able to pick historical or cultural symbology that represents everyone.

Like I said above, if EVERY coin contained aboriginal art, then you might have a point.....but as it stands now....you don't.

Using your thinking, I could criticize last years coin because it used stained glass aspects in the coin, which is synonymous with both the Catholic and Protestant churches.

As stated above a few times....next year, why don't you step up the plate and offer your assistance rather then criticizing those that have spent their time trying to make a coin that they think people will like and buy.

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stormcloud



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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

Using your thinking, I could criticize last years coin because it used stained glass aspects in the coin, which is synonymous with both the Catholic and Protestant churches.

Okay lets use this argument. Though it is stretching a little. Lets say 20 percent ( numbers are higher but its a nice round figure) of the population claim to be in a christian faith. Wtih in those faiths you will find a variety of cultural backgrounds, and nationalities including native. So based on your argument last years coin was far more inclusive just by the fact that it used the stain glass. The fact that it used the BC Emblems makes that inclusion even greater.

As far as input on this years coin i gave feedback to my regional representitive So there are some assumptions that have been made that may have not been correct. Had more information been forthcoming maybe more imput could have come from the membership on the design of the coin. I still like the concept of the bear coin that i know lots of effort had been put into.

There are many ways to present culture and history in a way that is inclusive accurate and respectful to all parties.

As far as next years coin committee if someone shows me the secret hand shake and sends me the decoder ring i would more than gladly join the ultra secret society that creates these coins.

So with these finally comments this troll will crawl back under his bridge.

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scruffster



Joined: Sep 29, 2004
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Location: Burnaby

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

This is definitely not the first year the BCGA has considered First Nation's art as a primary theme of the geocoin.


The photo above is an unfinished draft. It was one of my favourites for 2008 issue and I would have been happy with the totem on the BCGA coin as well as the Stellar's Jay.

Another concept along these lines was a Kermode bear somberly looking up at its depiction on a totem pole. I would have liked that just as much.

West Coast First Nation's art is always high on the list when people around the world think of British Columbia. Whether it is out of respect for the art and culture itself or a stereotype is perhaps in question. I never considered it an issue -- until now.

It is always difficult designing something for the masses. There will always be a few people that will not be happy with what the art department came up with. It just goes with the territory. But it's good to see that the 2009 BCGA coin is well received. You'll most likely find that the international community will be very eager to get a coin -- partially because there is First Nation's art on it.
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boomerangpapa



Joined: Apr 25, 2006
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Location: Ashcroft, BC

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

stormcloud wrote:
I still like the concept of the bear coin that i know lots of effort had been put into.

There were several concepts that were being considered right from day one. To tell you the truth, I had worked on a bear version right from the start and tons of hours went into tweaking and consulting the others. In the end, there was something that just wasn't right and we decided to take another route to a completely different destination. Near the end, I am VERY happy with how it has been turning out! I know that this years coin will find its way into many peoples collections/want lists.

Within the next week or so (if all goes well), we should be able to start a pre-sales campaign so that we can see how many we need to order. There will be a members only coin and a regular version just like the previous years.

PS. Scruff: Nice design!! Maybe next year???
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scruffster



Joined: Sep 29, 2004
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Location: Burnaby

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

Thanks Boomerangpapa but the totem design couldn't be done in the suncatcher effect. That's one of the reasons that particular design was scrapped. It'll just go down in history as another unfufilled project. **teehee**

Designing a coin is without a doubt one of the hardest things I've ever done. It may start out as a labour of love but it quickly becomes daunting.

I applaud you and the committee for coming up with something unique and beautiful. I really like the fact that the 2009 coin can be worn as jewlery or hung in a window. I consider that a stroke of genius.

Perhaps next year your bear might be considered. After all, the BCGA isn't going anywhere and might need some of your unused designs. Don't throw them away.
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boomerangpapa



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Location: Ashcroft, BC

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote



Just a tease!
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scruffster



Joined: Sep 29, 2004
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Location: Burnaby

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

Oooh oooh oooh. I like that. Now show us the rest, please, and don't be a tease.

S.
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phatbennyb



Joined: Apr 21, 2008
Posts: 43

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:00 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

So any ideas when they'll be ready? Cost? How to place an order?
Thanks,
PBB
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boomerangpapa



Joined: Apr 25, 2006
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Location: Ashcroft, BC

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

Pre-sales should commence sometime this weekend. After receiving the samples, there are a few changes we are making on the coin to make it just right! We are awaiting a new picture (artwork) to depict the tweaked version so that we can use that for the pre-sales info. Sorry for the delay but thanx for eagerly awaiting!!
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phatbennyb



Joined: Apr 21, 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

In the last message it said pre-sales should start this weekend, I haven't heard anything yet... But on this page:
www.bcgeocaching.com/i...me=Geocoin
It says the presales for this year have already ended???????
What's with that? Did I wind up missing out, I've been checking the site daily....

PhatBenny-B
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Mach2003dead



Joined: Nov 14, 2006
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Location: x

PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

Pre-sales have not yet started, the page is just undergoing changes for this year's coin. The "ended" message is still left over from last years coin.
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boomerangpapa



Joined: Apr 25, 2006
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Location: Ashcroft, BC

PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

We are in the process of figuring our sales times as the coin samples (new pics) are not in yet. That page isn't supposed to be live as it is in "editing" still and was mistakenly activated! No worrries as we still have about a months time for presales!

Sorry foe the confusion and the delay!
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phatbennyb



Joined: Apr 21, 2008
Posts: 43

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: BCGA Coin 2009 Reply with quote

Thanx for the quick feedback Smile
I just didn't want to miss out on the opportunity, and seeing that page had me scared I was gonna miss out Sad

Oh, and delays happen,
We understand. Smile

PhatBennyB
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